Lynndie England: BDSM icon?

Mistress England an emerging BDSM icon? Or rather an icon for submissives/masochists? I think the latter is true. Of course, as a submissive I am fantasizing about Mistress England - but just as an icon, or rather as an image, as a figure of my fantasy, not as a real person, not as Army Pfc. Lynndie R. England. The question focuses on the very dilemma of BDSM: In our fantasies, we dream of non-consensual situations - in our lives, we are creating consensual situations. What is more, I think just because of our experiences we are particularly aware of ony kind of non-consensual violence in society, and many of us feel the mission to oppose non-consensual violence wherever we find it. (This, of course, does not make it easier for dominants: on the one hand they are expected to fulfil fantasies of non-consensual situations, on the other hand they have to base their activities on consensus - thus, creating a BDSM situation is always creating an illusion, and the better the illusion the better the session.) Not to be misunderstood: I have full sympathy for Lynndie England, a 21-year-old girl brought in a situation she could not control (the photos just pretend she was in control) - but I have no sympathy at all for those who brought her in that situation.

This is bullshit. England has NOTHING to do with BDSM. The three pillars of BDSM are “Safe, Sane, Consensual”.

She was ordered to do what she did by some freak wannabe Military Intelligence Officer. None of them have the slightest clue how to properly do BDSM. They’re wannabes. Trash. And this whole incident has served to do nothing but discredit those of us who practice BDSM in a Safe, Sane, and Consensual manner, in the eyes of people who have no idea what it’s all actually about. The mundanes who live their little lies of lives, who are too chickenshit to admit to themselves what they really are and what really makes them happy. They reject their own nature, and then call practicioners of BDSM sick. Then they cheer while the tools of love and passion are used to torture people against their will. And they think it’s because God wants them to have a holy war and kill all the Muslims. Sick God, Sick Culture.

yeah, and uh racist pig at that as well, don’t forget

Be that as it may folks. The fact is miss england will be offered a hollywood film contract,staring roles in BDSM videos and employment as a $175 a session dominatrix. Her financial future outside of the Army. She wont need to train as a meteorologist.

Lynndie England won’t be opening a S&M parlor anytime soon, I assure you. First she’ll have to do a stint at Leavenworth for between 10 and 40 years, that is if she and her ilk aren’t hung by the neck until dead like they should be. Remember Nuremburg? If I were running this place instead of Dummy Dubya and his cronies, she’d hang, period.

Lynndie England represents the worst kind of person in the United States.

Cut her into pieces and then throw her in the trash where she fucking belongs.

She probably will become a BDSM icon.

In the same way that the blonde SS Fraulein from ‘Allo ‘Allo is used as one.

Not because what she did was BDSM. Not because she herself is into BDSM.

But because it is human nature to fantasise about death, torture, execution, capture and humilation.

But for all the jokes, that doesn’t mean a BDSMer would be any less likely to convict her, were they on the court martial panel.

There is emerging evidence in the media that donald rumsfelt himdself authorised this treatment of iraqi prisoners. Ms England was undoubtedly following the orders of her superior officers right up to george bush. She obviously enjoyed doing so because of the power and control it gave her. It is sad that officers and politician will not be tried and those following their orders will be condemned and imprisoned to shut them up and keep them out of the publics view. Thankfully all the allegations against british troops bar one have been unfounded. The one that is founded centres around a unlawful killing by suffocation when in detention.

Lynndie England is a sick ugly little girl who has no understanding on the worldwide effect of her actions. She should be apologising to every US citizen, the repucusions could be devastating.

She just blames everybody else!

hi, whats wrong about being tortured and humiliated by a woman like lynndie. those iraqis should pay her to torture them.

but the male soldiers should be punished for what they did.

;) a submissive guy who is into femdom.

Most of you have missed the boat, some of you several times. If it wasnt for people like are soliders in Irag then more of the fanatics which like to cut of heads off people and praise thier god would be closer to your door step. how about we stop the hate club on the alledged abuse and give them thanks for keeping the terroists at bay.

Lynndie England was a victim. She was the lowest rank there. She was used by the cameraman as a prop. She did as she was told. The fact that she herself was used in sex orgies with other military members proves she was a submissive not a dominetrix. I don’t think she was a raging nymphomaniac. I think peer pressure coupled with military training to not question authority made her a extremely submissive person. Was it consensual or was it her training to do as she was told. Many young women in the military find themselves in similar situations.

But she placed electrodes on a iraqi males genitals and fingers and toes. Strangely he was not naked but she did that nonetheless. Even the lesbian Military Police Brigadier General stated in a televised interview that she was shocked by the treatment but she was overulled by a major general of military intelligence who was sent to turn abu garaib into another quantanamo. The order came from the top and was doubtless formulated as policy at a cabinet meeting prior to being implemented down the chain of command.

Lynndie England should be locked up for life for what she happily took part in. And so should that grotesque Lesbian army commander in charge of the farm that being run under the noses of those war mongers Bush and Rumsfeld who should be HANGED just like the top Nazis were for crimes against humanity. Sadly America will pay heavily for their sick crimes against the Muslims.More and more heads will be hacked off Because of the above mentioned. Do they Care?

Lynndie England is a hero. She gave them prisoners what they deserved. Aney who dont agree is just doing so to be PC.You know yall agree. DRRhodes3@aol.com

Lynddie was influenced by her seniors in an unfamiliar setting for a young girl. If she had a bit of fun on the side good luck to her. Now why don’t they let it pass , she has a youing baby- just let her have a fresh start and get on with her life. I wish hetr well.

Little Lynndie is a result of US Army training, period. The army is responsible for the actions of their soldiers, period. The officers are responsible for the actions of their soldiers, period. It’s the officers who should be courtmartialled, not the soldiers. To say they didn’t know what was going on under their command is ridiculous - they are totally incompetant and shouldn’t be in a position of command if that is true.

Now; we all ‘know’ that this sort of thing is standard operating procedure in the army, any army, especially the Arab armies. British personel are TRAINED to expect this sort of treatment if captured. They all go through this ‘naked in front of girls weilding whips routine’ as part of their training. The girls do it too, they EXPECT to get raped if captured.

So why the big deal. Well, it’s this: nobody can be so stupid as to take pics of such things and sent them not only over the cellphone network, but the www too! As they seemingly did. Note: Lynndie didn’t do that. When she heard rumours about it she knew it was trouble. It is typical that the fine men who ordered her to pose were the first to run and hide.

America should hang it’s head in shame, but not for Lynndie’s actions, but for their own stupidity and cowardice.