Lynndie England, military dominatrix

The soldier Lynddie England is RIFFRAFF. I’m not sure if it is a woman or a man or what, it looks like an androgynous elf. Besides, she is very ugly, she has the ugliness typical of those monsters without feelings, mercy and love.

I think soldier Lynddie England represents very exact the United States Army and the people of the United States (I didn’t write “America”, because America is a continent, not only one country without name). She is racist, cruel, uncultured, stupid, zionist, vile, amoral, promiscuous… and a whore, she got a pregnancy in Irak, maybe in an orgy… she’s not married (of course), so she is going to be another single mother, like millons do in the United States. Gringos don’t have families, so, they don’t have family values, neither moral values. I think soldier England begin its sexual life at the age of 12 or 11, maybe before, and that she has sex with many many soldiers, like a heat dog! I think she grew in an ugly home and ugly familiy, its parents must be like her!

Militaries of the United States (and also from Israel) are scum. Soldiers of the United States, steal, destroy, torture, rape, kill, they kill children, they disembowel babies. Israel soldiers teach soldiers from the United States how to torture, kill and smash human beings. United States Army is zionist, they are destroying the world to take care of jewish money.

The United States and Israel are gangrenous pustules of Earth planet. A better world will come when those pustules disappear.

Soldier Lynddie England was very cruel with inocent people is Irak just because she is uncultured and racist. She is evil she is garbage, she is not a human being, she is a monster! Now she has an evil monster inside her, another monster gringo is coming! What a bad luck!

we love Lynndie we want to be her prisioners

“Mexican fairy”—You say leave out “America,” because it’s a continent. You call it “United States” instead. Which “United States” do you mean? There are several, amigo.

By the way, don’t whine and cringe at the name Lynndie England. She has absolutely no interest in you, and you have no reason to be scared out of you mind. Really. Calm down. Tranquilo, hombre! No te importa. ?Eres una llorona?

Lynndie is a godess…flat out. I spend my whole life in pursuit of a woman like this. The rest of the world didn’t feel sorry us on Sept 11th. So I don’t feel sorry for the rest of the world and their views on what went on in that Iraqi prison. With that out of the way, if no one wants Lynndie living near them, she can come and live with me…I’ll worship her.

PS-For anyone who decides to hate the US armed forces…bring it on. You’ll loose just like the rest. Remember…talk is cheap. Even on the internet:)

Hello, As a Female Supremacist, I feel that if males didn’t run things, this wouldn’t have happened in a non-consentual manner. However, since the world is run by many mysogynistic males, it did. I cannot condemn what Ms. England did, because I do not walk in her shoes. I can, however, say that with the many things we hear about Muslims and their hatred of women, perhaps some of the “torture” and I use the term lightly, was deserved.

Richard, if you delete racist comments and such, where were you when Mexican fairy wrote and sent her anti-us letter, pretty much calling us a country full of ho’s and butchers, not to mention the anti-Semitism she espoused?

Just my thoughts on the subject

mskathy36 wrote

” …perhaps some of the “torture” and I use the term lightly, was deserved.” you goddamn idiot what kind of being are you ? huh? do you call yourself a human?how would you feel if smo fucks your mother up in front of you? or how would you feel with an invader soldiers dick in your mouth ? huh?what would cause you to deserve this?

My understanding is that during the first weeks of training or bootcamp, soldiers receive the doctrine that they are to report activities not included in the Geneva Convention guidelines for detaining prisoners, or otherwise. I am wondering why those now facing court marshall did not, or possibly could not have access to such mechanisms to report abuse. I would be interested in finding out what apparatus is in place for soldiers in harm’s way to be able, and feel free to do report, ie, what were their options.

I have re-written the song. That’s even better now:

The Lynndie England song

Idiots heaven West Virginia all related around Shenandoah river Incest is old there older than the trees younger than the maggots in the mountain cheese

Country roads take her home To the camp she belongs West Virginia old goat momma Take her home country roads

All my memories gather ‘round her Army’s lady stranger to clear water Dark and dusty smelling to the sky Misty taste of bootshine drinking like a guy

Country roads take her home To the camp she belongs West Virginia old goat momma Take her home country roads

I hear a voice in the morning how she calls me The radio reminds me of the IRAQ far away Drivin’ down the road I get the feelin’ That she should been home yesterday yesterday

Country roads take her home To the camp she belongs West Virginia old goat momma Take her home country roads

Country roads take her home To the camp she belongs West Virginia old goat momma Take her home country roads

La la la hey hey La la la hey hey La la la hey hey La la la West Virginia old goat momma Take her home country roads

La la la hey hey La la la hey hey La la la hey hey La la la West Virginia old goat momma Take her home country roads

Take her home country roads Take her home country roads

mskathy36 Female Supremacist

Now, the person whos running the prison facilities in Iraq is female, isn’t she. General Janis Kapinski. Look what is happening over in Iraq now!!! So much for a female supremacist, heh heh. I hope it was not the way a female running things!!!

And I hope this is not the kind of democracy and freedom the United States trying to preach around the world

You love Lynndie England do you, altehase??? You must have some serious weeds up in your ass. It would not surprise me if you are a sadist. You should ask Little Lynndie to tie a few cables around you genitals and give you a few surprises, heh heh.

Ender, Actually altehase is a male masochist, submissive. His fantasy would be to be Ms. Englang’s prisoner, slave.

Anna,

Thanks!

mskathy36 Female Supremacist

“I can, however, say that with the many things we hear about Muslims and their hatred of women”

We not only hear and watch on TV everyday about Gun shooting and murders in U.S. Like your famous high school massacre.

Is that mean people in US are all like that??? Please get all the information first before you give out you comments on other people intead of getting them all from your bloody intersting CNN.

As a Military Police Officer in the United States Army, I have to say how disgusting and intense these pictures, and things not displayed to the public took place. In the active duty military, we are not trained too much on the rules of engagement while in basic training. As an MP, I had the great experiance of deploying three times, and you see how many soldiers died to liberate a country like Kosovo, Iraq, and etc. Before every deployment, it was mandatory that we went over our rules of engagement and Geneva Convention, and we carried around these cards at all time because it is an accountable item, so how did they not know what they were doing was wrong! No excuse they knew and did what they wanted. So when you have an ignorant person such as PFC ENGLAND and her buddies, it hurts me inside to think of all the innocent people that sacrificed their lives to make other lives better. ENGLAND and her counterparts just opened up Americans to adverse consequences and pretty much pissed on all those soldiers and civilians, who died in combat, and their graves. Everything us real SOLDIERS work for is all gone now due to these photos and crimes that took place. I lost a friend in Iraq as well as my friend losing his leg, and they are like the rest of the soldiers who serve their country. They were willing to go to war and were not scared. They didn’t care if they died serving their country because there is no better feeling for fighting for someones elses freedom. The sad thing is I would take a bullet, and so would the rest of my fellow MP’S, for half of the sorry as—es who think what ENGLAND and her buddies did was cool or right!I am not here to bash the US because this is a great place to love and belong to. If you don’t agree, I am sorry, but try living the life of a soldier, or try living in a communist country. It is not so much about the 7 ARMY VALUES, it is also about your own morales. One of the 7 Army values is Responsibility (be accountable for your own actions) and Integrity (do what’s right legally and morally), so to say they did not recieve enough training is bulls—t! You must live and know the ARMY VALUES and that is stressed from day one into the military. You are issued a ARMY VALUES CARD and ARMY VALUES DOG TAG! If you actually condone this type of behavior, you are no better than the people who took many lives on 9/11. I’ve been spit on, cursed at, and hit by many of those people that I am serving for, but never once did I even think to act back by excessive force or violence. If you do not have interpersonnel skills as an MP you are worthless because you will spend the rest of your Army career pissed off. Lets think of the innocent civilian that lost his head in retaliation to ENGLAND and the other soldiers actions. So you think it is cool, lets think of it as if it was your brother, dad, mom or friend. This is now the reality of a few peoples actions and I am sure there will be more because the people of Iraq don’t care about who the hell was in charge, the commander, or training. Please picture yourself as these prisoners and the bastards doing this to you are smiling and posing for pictures. I don’t care if they say MI Officers encouraged them because the Army has an outstandiung system of reporting abuse, eo complaints, harrasment, and mistreatment, it’s called the open door policy. I thank you for reading this and hope that I can help some folks know that these people don’t deserve the title of SOLDIER. A soldier is someone who lives, teaches and enforces the Army Values, and don’t forget their own morales as well. These actions do not represent anything for what we soldiers, US, and Military Police stand for!!

Social Services should take Lynndie England’s baby away. If she did that to prisoners, who knows what that monster would do to a helpless baby.

Mexican Fairy, I’m sorry that you see the u.s. as the epitome of evil, but please realize that there are many many people who do good… what England did was dispicable in every way, and I’m ashamed to call her an American, but there are plenty of people like me who are just appalled and equally unsupportive of u.s. politics as you.

Wow, you said that the world didn´t feel sorry for the september 11 attacks, please that event would never be forget over the next generations while the “United States” keep their supremacy over the world (hope China and Europe do something about the world balance it in the short future), but what about the thousands of people who lost their relatives, houses, children who lost their parents in Afghanistan, Irak, not to mention Vietnam, Korea who shows that on TV, who shows the people that really care about them? just the people who do not let their brain be washed by the United States media or stupid comments where they are self called “the heroes of the war on terror” (sarcastic lol) that is just for the bunch of ignorants that live in the United States (and other influenced countries) who still think USA can be the follow path for a world democracy (we all know that Al Gore won the elections). Do you have your heads on the clouds? or just self blinded to the truth just for the comfort it gives? Face it, your empire is just as criminal as other history empires were, your acts can be compared to the Holocaust, your sickness of power let the world die while you stole all their richness just to achieve the “american dream”. What happended to the honorable american you preach?

Note: The september 11 acts were a horrible episode of human history and we can not let it happen again, but that also includes stoping the world massacres. If you sow war and destruction, the only thing that you´ll harvest it´s hate

In response to Soapyz’s posting, I just wish to say that your point was eloquent and complete. You personify the reason that I respect those who serve. It is also valuable to note that you and your fellow servicemen and women “over our rules of engagement and Geneva Convention, and we carried around these cards at all time because it is an accountable item, so how did they not know what they were doing was wrong!”, a fact that deflates the defense of Abu Ghraib 7. Unless the US force went through a marked decline in the last few years since your tour of duty, and I seriously doubt that. These people are a stain to the army that helped my birth land, Great Britain, from any chance of tyranny in World War II, and I will NEVER discount that! These people are bad eggs. All armies have them. Soldiers are human. But these ones have rocked America in an awful. I believe that most Americans are like you, Soapyz, compassionate and critical thinking. These thugs aren’t and making an example of them will only correct this situation.

Jennifer Cannon: What narrow-mindedness… The relationship with her baby has nothing to do with her relationship with Iraki prisoners in a time of war! I definitely condemn what she did…but there is one thing people seem to forget in our confortable little homes.., peer-pressure. Again, I am not agreeing with her actions, I would NOT have reacted that way…but imagine the situation: she is 21, with a bunch of guys, trying to be recognized/esteemed as a soldier, (not seen as a small helpless woman), she has been tolds OVER and OVER again how Irakis are scum and she has probably seen actions that justify this statement… The mind-set is so different than ours!

I believe we can have our opinion on her actions, but we cannot judge her character and guess her personnality with this, except to say she was weak.

However, I must say all irrespectful actions hurt me…and this hurt me. The Iraki’s response hurt me too.

Right now, I believe it is hard to say who is right and who is wrong…. In fact, everybody is wrong… “Eye for an eye” never amounts to any good!

A very saddened North American (mexican fairy…I agree with you on that one!) fyi I was born, raised and I still live in QUEBEC, CANADA

“…we can have our opinion on her actions, but we cannot judge her character and guess her personnality with this”

That is total bull*hit. It is exactly by one’s actions that their character is judged. It is not by words or thoughts or ideas but by the behaviour of an individual, what actions they take under given circumstances, that we can know the character of an individual.

If we can not judge a person to be a monster based on their actions then we also may not judge a person to be a hero based on their actions.

Looked at from this inverse point of view the absurdity of your statement becomes very obvious. Heroes are in fact people who have ACTED a certain way and villains are deemed villainous by their ACTIONS.

Peer pressure is powerful, I agree, but at some point that excuse becomes useless. Does the phrase “Nuremberg excuse” mean anything to you? In case it doesn’t..at the war crimes trials that took place after World War II many of the German soldiers used the defence that they were merely following orders during a time of war. “Not an excuse”, said the court. Peer pressure, even the pressure of a military superior during a time of war, is not an excuse for being a sadistist monster.

Be a hero. Use your intellect to act on the emotions that suspend rational analysis.

Mexican Fairy, Obviously your critsism of the USA is coming from your comparision with the Mexican political system and military. Having a brother who as a border patrol agent often engaged Mexican police or military personnel engaged in the civilian activity of cramming mexican nationals into cramped enclosed spaces and crosses expanses of desert at night, and having said presumably off-duty mexican police and military fire upon him I would say you need to carefully consider your own system before condemming the USA as a whole. There are screw-ups in all societies. Your own countries history is repleat with them as well. And your current politcal system makes the issues in FL, USA in the last election seem like a well run event. As to the actions of our respective countries and your apparent anti-jewish viewpoint, perhaps you long for the WWII relationship of Mexico with the Nazi regime of Germany to have been more successful. A sad period in Mexican history to be sure. The USA got over it, perhaps you should consider the aspects required for a positive future, not lambasting the entire US of A for the actions of a few mis-trained, ill fit for duty soldiers acting as guards in a hostile environment. Now if you’d care to explain the abuses I have witnessed first hand in Mexican jails in some of the more remote portions of your country that are far worse than what is reported befell the Iraqi prisoners (where I had money to bribe the jailer and was released after two days relatively unharmed, though still never feed while held, never allowed to contact anyone including my embassy, and kept w/o clothing in my cell (my boots, belt and wallet were never returned, save my drivers license and passport). Fortunately the underlings at the jail accepted I could get them more money if released (which I did in a manner that assured I would not be re-incarerated unjustly thanks to my brother’s connections) Those that stayed behind had not been so lucky and the Mexican officials I contacted did not seem interested at all. The US embassy and the French embassy promised to look into the matters and I’d assume followed up on reports of their citizens being mistreated. Take a hard look at your domestic situation before you critize too loudly. Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in this hemisphere.

Just came to from news paper Whore England is pregnant and she had sex with her multiple army companions. WOW……. That’s like a great whore

Hey FU_Soup and all the other hyper-sensitive people reacting to MexicanFairy’s post: why don’t you argue the points instead of shifting and evading? Are you saying that only someone from a country with a government free from sin may criticize the disgusting criminal activities perpetrated by the US government over the past 200+ years?

Well, considering all political bodies have arrived at their positions of power through violence, that would certainly cut out all the criticism of the Most High Holy Glory of the United States of America!

Ignore for just a moment MexicanFairy’s painting with a rather broad brush and recognize the point of the post; it was not to censure the US government’s political corruption but rather to point out that Ms. England may be representitive of the US population as a whole. Two completely different things. So…

Argue the points on their merits. Attempting to deny your verbal opponent their right to make a case is a rhetorical device that may win you some fans from the mouth-breather section of the audience but wouldn’t you rather defend against the attack with facts and make a case that stands up to similarly simple trickery?

“Someone please put England on the end of a leash”

[Note: I am quoting the following from another web site. This Ron Davis guy has a good point.]

The 21-year-old Army reservist tells her parents that she was in “the wrong place at the wrong time.”

A feature story in The Baltimore Sun tries to rehabilitate England. It just leaves us cold. A few grafs to chew on:

…[several paragraphs omitted]

“She shouldn’t have been processing prisoners in the first place,” her father says. “She was trained as an administrator - a paper pusher. At night, she would walk across the prison yard to go over and see her buddies. They were the ones doing the interrogations,” he said.

You see, it’s everyone else’s fault. Someone please put England on the end of a leash. Or maybe force her to strip, stand and masturbate while someone else points and gives a thumbs-up.

Or maybe make her watch “The Blues Brothers” so she can listen to John Belushi:

“I ran out of gas. I had a flat tire. I didn’t have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake, a terrible flood, locusts! It wasn’t my fault, I swear to God!”

Posted: Thu - May 6, 2004 at 11:13 AM CHATTER — by Ron Davis

From the crime angle and not sex . . . the abuse of Iraqi prisoners and the prevalence of women soldiers in published pictures The photographs—several of which were broadcast on CBS’s 60 Minutes 2 last week—show leering G.I.s taunting naked Iraqi prisoners who are forced to assume humiliating poses. Six suspects—Staff Sergeant Ivan L. Frederick II, known as Chip, who was the senior enlisted man; Specialist Charles A. Graner; Sergeant J. Davis; Specialist Megan Ambuhl; Specialist Sabrina Harman; and Private Jeremy Sivits—are now facing prosecution in Iraq, on charges that include conspiracy, dereliction of duty, cruelty toward prisoners, maltreatment, assault, and indecent acts. A seventh suspect, Private Lynndie England, was reassigned to Fort Bragg, North Carolina and/or Colorado, after becoming pregnant 41/2 monhts back. The photographs tell it all. In one, Private L. England, a cigarette dangling from her mouth, is giving a thumbs-up sign and pointing at the genitals of a young Iraqi, In another, England stands arm in arm with Specialist Graner; both are grinning and giving the thumbs-up behind a cluster of perhaps seven naked Iraqis, knees bent, piled clumsily on top of each other in a pyramid. There is another photograph of a cluster of naked prisoners, again piled in a pyramid. Near them stands Graner, smiling, his arms crossed; a woman soldier stands in front of him, bending over, and she, too, is smiling. Then, there is another cluster of hooded bodies, with a female soldier standing in front,Abu Ghraib at one time, in twelve-by-twelve-foot cells that were little more than human holding pits and this the regime’s collapse, last April, the prison complex, by then deserted, was stripped of everything that could be removed, including doors, windows, and bricks. The coalition authorities had the floors tiled, cells cleaned and repaired, and toilets, showers, and a new medical center added. Abu Ghraib was now a U.S. military prison. Most of the prisoners, however—by the fall there were several thousand, including women and teen-agers—were civilians , posed to make it appear that he is performing oral sex on another male prisoner, who is naked and hooded.

Hersh as well on an American general’s February 2004 report on the abuse—which apparently extended well beyond pictures published so far—and the impact of the commanding brigadier general’s authority within her unit: General Taguba spent more than four hours interviewing Karpinski, whom he described as extremely emotional: “What I found particularly disturbing in her testimony was her complete unwillingness to either understand or accept that many of the problems inherent in MP of that Brigade, the 800 th against women serving in our military for selfish reason(s) It seems as if the people of Fort Ashby, home to five different churches, may be prepared to give Ms England the benefit of the doubt, at least until the full facts emerge. While the pictures of the woman that were so proudly pinned up inside the local courthouse building have now been taken down, most people are not ready to condemn. A voice in the morning how she calls it reminds me of the IRAQ far far away On Thursday evening, outside of Evans Dairy Dip, an ice-cream parlour in the square next to the town’s one set of traffic lights, Steven Witt, his wife, Michelle and their two sons, were eating ice cream. There were six flavours, two sizes and none cost more than $2.

“I think it is too early to say for sure,” said Mr Witt, a mechanic. “But it’s not as bad as the pictures we saw a few weeks ago of the mutilated bodies of the American contractors. And that was not the first time that has happened. There was the time in Mogadishu [in 1992] when the Black Hawk came down and the pilot was dragged through the streets.” His wife added: “It’s hard to condemn people when you are here living your own life and not doing what they are doing.” Mrs Gainor, the good-natured woman at baseball practice, who works for an internet company, had been even more explicit in her defence of Ms England. She said: “We are not there for a tea party. We are there because they blew up 5,000 of our people.” Did she believe Iraq was involved in the terror attacks of 11 September 2001? “They were definitely involved … Maybe she took it to extremes.”

Others in Fort Ashby, where Ms England’s younger brother is due to graduate from high school this year, expressed sorrow. “I think they were very wrong for what they did. They would not want that done to their families and they should not have been doing it,” said Cindy Paugh, whose three-year-old daughter, Brandi, had thrown her ice-cream onto the road.

If, at a national level, America is undergoing some sort of self-examination about the way it treats prisoners, many of the world’s own argue it is long overdue. The Bush administration can claim what it may about America is not involved in torture, but this argument hardly stands up to scrutiny nor is this a “Christian-nation”.

$he has a bright future as a dominatrix. American men pay GOOD MONEY for that kind of treatment.

SSSSSSssssssexy, baby!

Men, that girl really turns me on! I hope she put ME on a leash…

Bet she could be the most popular woman at Other World Kingdom.

Move discussions of Ms. England and sexuality to Lynndie England: BDSM icon?.

Political discussions can remain here.

Somehow it wasn’t surprising when intrepid journalists (the same intrepid journalists who aren’t in Iraq, exposing this sort of going-on properly) bravely made it to Ms England’s hometown of Spitbucket, West Virginia and bellied up to her local bar only to discover that the men and women of Spitbucket, West Virginia were broadly in favour of what they had seen in their newspapers. If there were any residents of Spitbucket, West Virginia who did disapprove of Lynndie England, incidentally, you can be sure that the intrepid journalists would have made a point not to speak to them. There is no sense in complicating a story, and the American press are doing the predictable thing: they are pretending that Lynndie England and her entire home-town belong to some “other” America - a cartoon America that almost doesn’t count as real.

In short order, and pointedly, we were informed that Lynndie lives in a trailer park, that most of the town are uneducated backwoods types who sign up for the army as the sole alternative to subsistence farming or robbing convenience stores, and whose cultural life barely extends past playing the harmonica, sexually molesting their younger relatives and going into the forest to hunt some critters. Lynndie England, in other words, has been safely assigned to the status of Jerry Springer guest. All tax-paying, middle-class Americans can relax. “She’s not one of us,” they can say, “she’s one of them.” Them - the clownish, nightmarish, single-parenting, po’-white someone-else’s-responsibility them of the ghettos and the backwoods and the trailer parks and the daytime talk-show studios.

Among the streaming images of Baghdad prison porn, Lynndie England’s are the ones that stick, from Madrid to Munich to London to New York to Los Angeles. Photo editors leapt on them.

In contrast, other shots of burly male guards leering over naked bodies seem stock and pedestrian: They’re the ones relegated to page 11. Brutal male prison guard? He’s a cliche, not a cover story.

The photos from Baghdad are supposed to shock us, and apparently Lynndie England does that best. She upends even feminist stereotypes about how women might act in war. Instead of humanity, you get depravity.

Her callous disregard to suffering, her jeering acceptance of it in other photos, provides seering images that people will long remember.

You want Mother Teresa and get the Marquis De Sade.

Like Jessica Lynch, who eventually morphed from Amazon warrior to Sleeping Beauty, these first images of Lynndie England defy expectations. No matter what the truth behind them, they awaken us from slumber.

What can you expect from members of the armed forces of a country whose head of state ie. President is nothing more than an inbred brainless idiotic hillbilly?

Once again, women have proven themselves to be fully the equals of men — even when it comes to abusing Iraqi prisoners.

The commander of the Abu Ghraib prison, Gen. Janis Karpinski, was female. And remember that photo of the naked man lying on the floor with a leash tethered to his neck? The soldier holding the leash was PFC Lynndie England.

A few years ago Patricia Pearson wrote When She Was Bad, an exposé about women who commit manslaughter, infanticide, and other high crimes. Pearson’s book reveals the unseemly tactics that accused women use to beat the rap. These women deftly shift the blame to the man, play on stereotypes of female nurturance, or resort to controversial defenses such as Battered Woman Syndrome.

Remember Lorena Bobbitt’s defense for the heinous act of castrating her husband? She claimed temporary insanity. Once the feminists convicted John of being a member of the Male Oppressor class, Lorena was allowed to go scot-free.

Three years ago, Andrea Yates drowned her five children in their bathtub. The murder was premeditated, single-handed, and ruthless. Yet husband Russell was the epitome of forgiveness and support for his embattled wife.

But incredibly, some people blamed Russell for the gruesome crime. One woman wrote in the Houston Chronicle, “If the state of Texas allows Russell Yates to go unpunished for his part in the drowning deaths of his children, it will be a shame” (www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/drownings/1293288).

Just a couple weeks ago, 12-year-old Nicole Townes was celebrating her birthday with several girlfriends. But an argument ensued and her friends began to pummel young Nicole. An hour later, Nicole wound up hospitalized, in a coma (http://news.findlaw.com/apstories/other/1110/4-26-2004/2004042611000415.html).

In response, Betsy Hart wrote a column that began by deploring the violent incident. But three paragraphs later Hart leaps to this conclusion: “In every successful society, women are the ultimate keepers of virtue. They are the civilizing influence on the men and the culture around them.”

The Nicole Townes story may be about many things, but it is not about female virtue. I can only imagine that it is very comforting to Mrs. Hart to explain away this egregious act of female malevolence by claiming that women are, in fact, the more virtuous sex.

Then there’s the Clara Harris incident. Last July, Harris decided to take justice into her own hands by gunning the engine of her Mercedes-Benz and repeatedly running over her unfaithful husband. Clara Harris was formally charged with murder.

In his commentary, writer Joe Farah forgot that vigilante justice is considered unacceptable in civilized society (www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30762). Indeed, Farah called for Clara’s exoneration: “Free her and let her be an example to every cheating husband and wife in America. There is a price to pay.”

There are documented instances of cuckolded men who killed their wives in a fit of anger. But in my many years, I have never heard of a columnist who actually applauded the homicide. To Mr. Farah, chivalry knows no bounds.

The fact is, these cases are not isolated examples. Studies show that when a man and a woman commit the identical crime, the man is more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

For example, Patricia Pearson reports that the average prison sentence for a woman convicted of killing her husband is six years. In comparison, a man convicted of wife-killing can expect to do 16 years in the slammer. “The reality is that chivalry justice is a thriving player in death penalty cases,” concludes Pearson.

Under old English law, a man could be pilloried and flogged for the misdeeds of his wife. That attitude seemingly persists in modern America.

Feminism has told us that women must now be treated equally with men. That means equal rights and equal responsibilities. Isn’t it only just and fair that we stop reflexively blaming men for the misbehavior of women?

First, our enemies created the suicide bomber. Now we have our own digital suicide bomber - the camera.

Just look at the way Lynndie England holds the leash of the naked, bearded Iraqi. Take a close look at the leather strap, the pain on the prisoner’s face. No sadistic movie could outdo the damage of this image.

In 2001, the planes smashed into the buildings; today, Lynndie smashes to pieces our entire morality with just one tug on the leash.

The Muslim suicide bomber cries Allahu akbar (God is greater). And what does Lynndie’s partner-in-crime do? Why, his home garden is plastered with a legend from the Book of Hosea, about sowing and righteousness and ploughing.

Could Islam ever have come so intimately into contact with the sexuality of the Old Testament? Could neo-conservative Christianity - Lynndie is also a churchgoer - have collided so violently, so revoltingly or so obscenely with Islam? And who were the innocent in these vile photographs? The American torturers and humiliators? Or the Iraqi victims?

President George Bush is fearful of Arab reaction to these pictures. Why?

For a year now, Iraqis have been trying to tell journalists of the brutal treatment they are receiving at the hands of their occupiers. They don’t need these incriminating photographs to prove to them what they already know to be true. But in the history of the Middle East, these pictures already have the status of those most damaging snapshots of the Vietnam War: the police chief in Saigon executing his Vietcong prisoner, the naked girl burned by napalm, the pile of bodies at My Lai.

For Arabs read Deir Yassin and the corpses piled in the Palestinian refugee camp of Sabra and Chatila in 1982.

Not long after the occupation of Baghdad by US troops in April last year, we got our hands on a videotape of the brutal whipping of Iraqi prisoners by Saddam’s security police. I’m not sure which circle of hell the victims were enduring in the 45 minutes of sadism. They are whipped, sticks are broken in their throats, they are kicked into sewers and they cower like dogs.

And why were these war crimes filmed? I thought at first that it was intended for the enjoyment of Saddam or his disgusting son Uday.

But now I realise the videos were taken so that the prisoners could be humiliated. Their suffering, their pathetic pleas for mercy, their animal-like behaviour was to be recorded - to add the final layer of degradation to their fate.

And now I realise, too, that the pictures of the Iraqis so cruelly treated - so tortured - by the Americans were taken for precisely the same reason.

Someone decided that the photos would be the final straw, the breaking point, the moment of capitulation for these young men. Make them simulate oral sex. Make them look at the penis of their best friend. Get a girl to admire their attempted erection. This was truly Saddamite in its perversity.

So let’s, as the Americans say, get real. Who taught Lynndie and her boyfriend and the other American sadists of Abu Ghraib prison to do this? Who taught the Syrian and Iraqi secret police to do this?

The answer to the latter question is simple: the East German secret police. But the answer to the first question? Well, we have been told that there were “contracted” interrogators at Abu Ghraib.

I have reason to believe that US General Janis Karpinski, the luckless prison commander who is going to be dumped out of the army for interrogations over which she had no control, knew that “outsiders” were questioning her inmates. She was never allowed into the interrogation room. And I can see why. So, no doubt, can she.

So who were these mysterious “interrogators” if they were not CIA or FBI staff? Several names are already going the rounds - so far, journalists claim they have no final proof of them - and a number, so I understand, hold more than one passport. Why were they brought into Abu Ghraib? Who brought them in? How much were they paid? And who trained them?

Who taught them that it was a good idea to get a girl to point at an Arab who was being forced to masturbate, to humiliate an Iraqi into submission by hooding him with a girl’s lingerie? We are not just talking “sick” here. We’re talking professionals.

Bush finally apologised last night for this filth but the constant, insistent, unending refrain from US officers that the soldiers involved were just a tiny group of unrepresentative Americans makes me suspicious.

Lynndie and her boyfriend were not part of a “rogue” unit. They were told to do these despicable things. They were encouraged to do them. This was an order from someone else. Who? When can we see their pictures, their identity, their passports, their orders?

Yes, it’s part of a culture, a long tradition that goes back to the Crusades; that the Muslim is dirty, lascivious, unChristian, unworthy of humanity - which is pretty much what Osama bin Laden (now forgotten by Bush, I notice) believes about us Westerners.

And our illegal, immoral, meretricious war has now brought forth the images that betray our racism.

The hooded man with the wires attached to his hands has now become an iconic portrait every bit as memorable as the picture of the second aircraft flying into the World Trade Center.

No, of course, we haven’t killed 3 000 Iraqis. We’ve killed many more. And the same goes for Afghanistan.

My God so many of you spin it like Lynndie England was some wild sexually perverted dominatrix when the truth is SHE IS JUST A 21 YEAR OLD KID from West Virginia no less! She may have thought she was acting tough …No, I take that back..She wasn’t thinking and now will pay for her stupidity. I’m sure her shame will be greater than that visited on those Iraqi prisoners before it’s over.

Personally, I think this is overblown and sooooo politically motivated it isn’t funny. I’m sorry there wasn’t anyone over there supervising these young soldiers but a lot of heads will roll before it’s over.

so go crawl back under your rocks you bottom feeding hypocrits.

Lynndie was a young immature backwoods homegirl whose probably never been very far from her small hometown in West Virginia before joining the Army.

She is sent to Iraq where she falls in love with what seems to her a strong protector 14 years her senior. He’s been around and knows how to handle prisoners having been a prison guard in the US.

We now know (according to his first wife) that this man was no stranger to domestic violence and had beaten his first wife repeatedly.

But Lynndie sees him as brave and handsome and fearless against the enemy. He makes her feel safe in that scary foreign land. His bravado rubs off on her and as love is blind and sometimes really stupid soon he has her posing for the pictures.

Now she is scared and pregnant and the press is having a field day.

that’s my take,

Wanda

It’s useful to understand the context in which human rights abuses, such as torture, occur. In the case of the dingbat dominatrix of Abu Ghraib, ignorance and racial prejudice were likely already part of her background. Granted the racism inherent in Pvt. England and cohorts’ actions is rather crude, but that same ignorance and racism (albeit in a more “refined” form) is inherent in the Iraq occupation from the get-go. Whether that racism manifests itself in the idealistic-sounding manifest destiny pronouncements of bringing Democracy to our little brown brothers and claims that we are occupying Iraq to “help” the Iraqis (which begs the question: who are we to assume they need our “help”?) or the more belligerent claims that the Iraqi people are “savages” who must be tamed by force as that’s all they presumably understand, it is still a profound insult to fellow humans who would probably just as soon do without US interference. It is in this context that torture of human beings occurs. It is in this context that soldiers and mercenaries can bomb or shoot civilians without batting an eyelash.

Who are the savages really? My guess is that those who have been supporting Junior Caligula’s war need look no further than their reflections in their own mirrors.

Mexican – I am not going to spend to much time on you, you are obviously and ignorant beggar who has been caught by the US border patrol to many times. Please do not be jealous of our beloved America. I know we are not perfect but please do not talk about family values when your or our government when your county will cease to exist with the foreign aid that the us supplies. Also why is your country considered one of the most corrupted countries of AMERICA? Worry about Mexico and if you want to put down the us get your facts strait you corrupted cabron

Hmm… Firstly, I will preface my comments by saying that I have always tried to judge the actions of others based on a quote by Anthony Burgess (who wrote “A Clockwork Orange”):

“It is as inhuman to be totally good as it is to be totally evil.”

Should Pfc. England be held accountable for her actions? Absolutely. But does this give us license to call her a “whore”, a “monster”, or a “sadist”? No. We are tempted to say such things because we do not want to face the truth: the horrible crimes committed by the 7 accused soldiers were committed by humans.

Under certain circumstances, any one of us might have done what the MPs at Abu Ghraib did. Somebody mentioned that peer pressure was not accepted as a valid excuse for violence at the Nuremburg trial. I would point out that since then, there have been at least 3 studies that show that peer pressure is a very powerful force, and can cause violence in even the most peaceful person. In fact, one of these studies, in which ordinary students at Stanford role-played as guards and prisoners, produced results that were similar to what occurred at Abu Ghraib. Here’s a summary (from Time magazine):

“In a 1971 experiment that is perhaps even more relevant to Abu Ghraib, Stanford psychologist Philip Zimbardo created a fake prison ward on campus and randomly assigned student volunteers to be prisoners or guards. What was to be a two-week experiment had to be cut short after just six days because the guards “began to use the prisoners as playthings for their amusement,” recalled Zimbardo. “They would get them to simulate sodomy. They also stripped prisoners naked for various offenses and put them in solitary for excessive periods.’”

Additionally, if Lynndie was by nature sadistic and predisposed to the behaviour that she exhibited in those pictures, she would have shown a sadistic personality much earlier in her life. But she has a fairly clean record.

The factors that drove Lynndie and her fellow MPs to torture the prisoners as badly as they did are copious. First of all, it should be noted that out of the 7, only Specialist Charles Graner had any experience as a prison guard. The rest were trained as traffic cops, and in fact, this was their original assignment in Iraq. However, they ended up guarding Abu Ghraib. There, they found themselves taking orders from Military Intelligence to “set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses”. There was nobody really watching over them, they were not given sufficient training on what was allowed, and they were led to believe that they had to break the prisoners as quickly as possible. It was a recipe for trouble.

Pvc England’s family have commented that she was “just following order’s”. Remember this defense did not work for the Nazi’s at the Nuremberg trials after WWII. Being a former Guardmen we were taught if you treat your prisoners well, their comrades are more likely to give up rather that fighting to the dead. As well these abuses will only stir up the Arab world who already hate the Western world!

Plain and simple, Crackers will be Crackers! I have been going to college in W.Virginia for some time. I am from California and have blonde hair and blue eyes. I am constantly called Pamela Anderson and compared to anyone blonde from TV. To make a long story short…the mentality of many folks from around here borderlines on retarded. Many are ignorant and also full of hate for anyone who is not like them or does not look like them. Unfortunately America is full of people like this, and has been from it’s inception.

Hidden image of the other domina Sabrina Harman (repudedly responsible for the the electrocution threat photo):

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and this one that’s been around a little:

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OK….. first of all that mexican idiot has the nerve to call all americans several foul and prejudicial names…. then they call white people gringos, a a racial slur for white people….. but then they call Americans racsit!

It is the exact type of hypocrisy that shows your total lack of brains, mexico is a cesspool that cant even govern itself…. If the USA is so horrible why are your mongrel people flooding across our borders in records numbers in order to pick out lettuce?

and a note on the sexual habits of your filthy guitter loving people, it is said that by 2050 the USA will be half Hispanic, because you disgusting dog eaters breed faster than rabbits.

You can talk all you want about my country but youd love to be here if you could

Man oh man, I just read something saying that the Senate viewed images of Lynndie England having sex with multiple people, in front of prisoners, seemingly consenting. This girl’s life is gone. I am sure that no employer wants this loser working for them and if I see her working the local 7-11 I might spit in her fat face. Of course, we overlook most of the others involved, so I am going to set it as my duty to learn who they are too, so that they might burn in hell for being dogs of anti-humanity and pointed out as the demons they are.

Thanks for those insightful and eye opening comments soapyz and Carey Roberts.

It gives me some relief that there are caring, reasonable people in the world with a strong sense of integrity.

I haven’t been a supporter of the war, but I have heard of the corruption scandal that is rocking the UN and those nations who were selling out to Saddam. I was so shocked when I read about the secret dealing of the oil for food program, its apparently the biggest scam of the decade. I can also understand the desire to depose Saddam.

Its difficult to make a proper judgement of a situation when one is hot headed. So many already have made their “informed” say of the situation, but in reality its their own bias that is just coming to the fore. Just a few minutes ago I was reading from the web site of a right wing writer, and his explanation that Iraqi people deserve no compassion, we should abide by our own laws. The unspoken reccomendation being, that we should be tolerant of misbehaviour from our soldiers. Wanda, and others, who may be perfectly kind and giving people, are getting upset, putting on their rose colored glasses and are saying, “no this couldn’t be the actions of a perfectly normal 21 girl.” It is, from everything I’ve seen, and from her own pleas, fairly clear that she couldn’t have been forced into all of that. Somewhere along the line she decided to go with it, and immature as she is she didn’t see what the outcome would be, and devious as she is she’ll try to get out of it. She’s getting her just deserts from the media in a way.

I’m not sure of the ultimate levels of abuse that were going on. I think she definitely should be court martialed and jailed, to do any less would be to protect and condone malevolence. Beyond that, I don’t know what I can conclude so far, but I’ll leave you all with one telling quote, “people interpret things however they wish, or however it benefits them”.

If you want to share your thoughts, think I need to be corrected, or what not, I won’t back down from it. My email - c_here@hotmail.com

weapons, racism, ignorance, b-movies,chemical food, too simple minds, false values… the world is tired of you from 1945

In response to: soapyz

Shocked in every way by the war of pictures between beheading of Berg and torturing by England I want to point out that I am very thankfull for the comment posted by soapyz. As a German I am very thankfull for the democracy and freedom the US brought to Europe and I believe that these values are still out there if I read opinions like this. Please dont let us loose our faith in the USA completly, all those ignorant, vulgar and extremist opinions posted in this forum make me very very sad and doubtfull if there is still a USA behind the Bush-Administration.

Torture of Iraqi prisoners is definetly something worse that I ve seen from war in Croatia and Bosnia. I am very sad and completely lost faith in america´s core values such as freedom and human rights, which are produly standing in your famous Constitution…

What a hell is happening with America? My country was also bruttaly attacked, part of my family has ended in camps such as Abu Aghrab… But i never mind a crimes which are commited by enemy, the more painfull are always crimes which are commited by our army - because they only show that we are like them!

In Abu Aghrab wictims are the same - torturers have just changed uniforms

Dear soapyz,

       I agree with you on multiple points, and am glad to hear you had such a pleasant military experience. I however do not....those photos remind of everything that is wrong with the military today. If you don't believe its unhealthy for females to be in the US Army then send an undercover reporter to AIT where the debauchery begins. War is not a Coed enviroment, and it never was. If those Iraqi scumbags had England detained would they have done any less? Oh....one last note Responsibilty is not one of the 7 Values.

Loyalty Duty Respect Selfless Service Honor Intergrity Personal Courage

NCO’s & Officers have never been responsible for anything in their whole miserable lives. Thats why a bunch of low ranking (reservist) soldiers are taking the heat.

I would like to thank soapyz for his clear explanation of what a us soldier really is. Man, I would like somebody like you to help me if I was in trouble. But the one and only truth is: who the hell are you americans(I’m talking about your government, not the population) to think you have some sort of “civilization” to export? Every single population of our beloved Earth has its own way of life. Nobody can think his lifestyle is better than any other, and absolutely NO ONE CAN MAKE A GLOBAL POLICE FORCE THAT NO ONE ASKED FOR AND THAT ALREADY EXISTS! DO YOU REMEMBER UNITED NATIONS? Anyway, the question is: can we believe that american government sent soldiers in Iraq just to set iraqi people free? Why these very good boys did nothing in Ruanda’s genocide, for example? Because there was nothing to steal, that’s why.

Now are you really so surprised by Lynndie and her photos? Poor Lynndie, poor cruel child, she is guilty in someone else’s place. The real guilty one is much more important than her, and that’s why we don’t know his name and we never will. The real guity one is everyone higher than her, including Donald “sweetheart” Rumsfeld(who was shaking Saddam’s hand 12 years ago, when he was a good business partner for US). War is war and everyone knows this. Everyone knows that torture and war are twin words.

In front of this thought, I think it’s clear that no pictures, video and this kind of mediatic terrorism stuff can change my mind. If something starts in a wrong way, it will probably not go on, and not end, differently. I’m italian. I know my own country is involved in this imperialist, brutal, irrational war based on oil business. And I disagree. Even when I look at violence pictures of Abu Grahib, even when I look at Nick Berg execution’s video. I still disagree with this war against humanity that shows the worst of human beings to the world. I disagree with hatred and revenge, I don’t care about any reason you think you have to legitimate this… This shit.

War is just war: remember WWII, remember Vietnam, they all have been the same. This one will not be different.

We should just go home, America, Italy, Great Britain, etc., and let middle east people live the way they want and can. I don’t want to believe anyone really wants this mess to go on.

I appreciate that her story “superiors told me to do it” is probably more about self-preservation than anything else. The fact that Nazis used the same excuse and still hung - DOES NOT MEAN that their superiors weren’t also culpable.

The Questioning of the Armed Services Committe shows a clear pattern - that from the highest echelons (Don Rumsfeld… perhaps the Oval Office), policy was set regarding which tortures were deemed “acceptable”. There is differing opinion from these guys in the chain, as to whether this policy violated international law. But the FACT is, no matter what their opinions are - these policies DO violate the spirit, and the letter in many cases, of the Geneva Conventions. In my mind, they’re all equally responsible.

And the essence of being a Dominant is having responsibility for those of whom you’re in charge. I see nobody taking responsibility. Just scapegoating. If they were in charge - then they were responsible. If they were not in charge, they were negligent. Criminally so. In both cases, they need to be removed, and disciplined. (in the legal sense).

I can understand why many subs would view England with admiration and love - it’s in your nature as a sub to do so. It’s in my nature, as a Dom, to criticize those who abuse authority, especially when the result is a massive public discredation of BDSM, sexual liberation, homosexuals, and women. Make no mistake - that is who the neoconservatives are blaming for this. Another act of deflecting responsibility.

That said - my statement that EVERYONE, from England to Rumsfeld, in the chain of command, should be held responsible for the well-being of those prisoners, the violation of their GOD GIVEN RIGHTS! (says so in the Constitution - yes it does, go read it!) and the damage to the image and reputation of both the United States, and the BDSM community. There’s simply no excuse for this behavior. Not 9/11. None. Especially when our “purpose of the day” for the invasion was to bring them Freedom and Democracy. These soldiers were representatives of Freedom and Democracy. Rumsfeld should have known that. He should have made damn certain they acted properly. And he did not.

That is NOT to say that US troops in general, or MPs in particular are bad people, or that ALL soldiers or ALL command structures are inherently bad. I greatly honor and respect the sacrifice our troops are making on a daily basis to fulfill the bullshit promises of a bad politician, under the command of his worthless toady.

Ultimately, they work for me. And this company needs a change in leadership desperately.

here in the uk i say “good on you lynndie”, and thanks for being there, for getting your hands dirty and sticking you neck on the line against the real evil… your gonna come out richer and smelling of roses girl !!

I agree that the people the coalition are fighting are evil and that they would probably torture and execute westerners and therefore need to be dealt with firmly. but to photograph what you have done is stupid beyond belief. didn’t you think what might happen if the pictures taken were to become public?. you must be a mindless moron without the capacity to think logically! I hope that you can live with what has happened to the Berg family and may it prick your conscious for the rest of your miserable existence. Even if the pictures were staged or fake you have caused untold grief! Satisfied? W. Roberts. U.K.

But wait a doggone minute! She’s a lesbian! See what the war can do to someone? Actually change their sexual preference! Her mind was so tweaked she got pregnant by a GUY ! No wonder she tortured prisoners….she went nuttso! And I really don’t think that what I saw was torture. Maybe a little embarassing, and humiliating, and physcologically bad…but not TORTURE! Lemme see fingers gettting chopped off…electrical prods…burns….etc….NOW THAT’S TORTURE. I know it was “mind” torture, but I really think it was humiliation.

I’ve never been to this site, but I realize after reading some of these replies what a sad sad place the internet is. You people have no clue of reality. Bye

I believe the American people are for the most part PERVERTS, and so this Lynndie England fiasco will soon blow over and be forgotten by the U.S. government and its numbheaded population.

However, the good thing is now the whole world KNOWS AND HAS SEEN what Americans are really about: PERVERSION. Homosexual marriages. Lies. Indecency mascarading as democracy.

George W Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld represent the new American NAZIs (except these nazi’s LOVE jews) and I HOPE TO SEE THEM -AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM- HANGING FROM A BRIDGE SOMEWHERE, SOON. Charred and unrecognizable.

“Haga patria, mate un yanqui”.

I just want to comment about the people who are expressing concern for the poor, poor prisoners.

What did they do to deserve this, you say?

They tried to kill our soldiers. They want to kill us.

Those of you who continue to scream about the Geneva convention and this, that and the other thing: THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU”RE SAYING! It’s OK for the enemy to try to kill you, but if they get caught, you’d better respect that? NO WAY MAN! If you try to kill someone - its a free-for-all baby.

Don’t let your people to go there. They are dying not for US, they are dying (and killing) for money few mad persons. Soldier did (and do) things much worse. You see only that someone want you to see.

I’m rejecting to work for military or supplyers, even for a best conditions. Just do all you can to STOP ALL WARS!

Well all i have to say is everyone in the middle east better be glad i’m not in charge because I would have pressed the big red button a long time ago and there wouldnt be a prison in Iraq to speak about…

What the “soldiers” in this prison have done is wrong.. but dont say that the United States is an evil country because of the actions of a few.. That would be no different than me saying that every arab had a bomb strapped to them.

Bottom line is Terrorists are no good pieces of shiat.

I’ve heard plenty of middle eastern journalist and others say that America can’t be trusted. So What you think America should trust any of u F%CKS?”We want a cease fire to negotiate.” Then our soldiers get fired at… You only get what you give so get over it…

Like I began this rant If I was in charge the middle east would be nothing but a big sheeet of glass… You Better Count your lucky stars..

I wanted to comment of the fella at number 56, an Army of perverts. I just have a one comment for you…..Go back to the hole you dug out from and bury yourself! Army of perverts? You are taking a small, small amount of men and women from the best armed forces in the world and placing them into a little ball of your imagination. Wake up and go back to the world that you, and other likeminded commies come from!

Comment for number 60. Yes, the guy has it right…Army of perverts led by worse perverts. Climb in your own hole with the Madame Defarge of the US Military.

Those who believe United States went Iraq to save Iraqis should wake form you sweet dreams. The US government’s top priority is PROFIT and nothing else. If democracy was really on the list of US wants it will be at the bottom, number one priority counting from the back. This Lynndie England fiasco just told us people under democracy and freedom can be just as cracy as people under dictatorship. Lynndie and her mates are a very good example of people from the freeworld!!! Such as the USA.

from inreview.co.uk May 08, 2004

She called me in January and said, ‘Mom, something bad has happened, but don’t worry about it’ - Terrie England It took four months to come out, but Lynndie knew, back in January, that she was facing trouble over the torture photographs. Big trouble. So what did she do…? Did she panic? No. Did she give vent to her anxiety by forcing some naked Iraqis prisoners to masturbate each other? Probably. But that’s not all.

Lynndie suspected she was going to face serious charges over her maltreatment of prisoners, so the clever little war criminal took drastic action: she got herself knocked up. By her war criminal fiancé, Charles Graner.

According to the Keyser Mineral Daily News-Tribune:

Along with a case of bronchitis, England is four months pregnant. Four months? Do the math. She got herself impregnated in January - at precisely the moment she knew trouble was heading her way - because she reckoned that pregnancy would earn her more lenient treatment.

How else do you explain it? That the couple forgot to use contraception because they were so furiously turned on by the torture? Well, it’s possible, but the timing seems too perfect to attribute the pregnancy to a gasping knee-trembler in the shadow of a quivering pile of scared and hooded inmates. As romantic as the idea of it is.

Charles Graner, the dad, is an interesting chap. The Age reports:

Specialist Charles Graner, a prison guard in civilian life, is reportedly her fiance and father of the child she is carrying. According to court papers filed during a messy divorce, Private Graner, 35, has a record of violence against his former wife, who also complained that he stalked and threatened her with guns. USA Today has the details:

For the 1998 order, Staci Graner testified that one night Charles Graner sneaked into the house where she was living with their children and jumped out at her from the laundry room to scare her. “I just don’t think this is normal behavior, and he does frighten me,” she testified. “I don’t want him anywhere near me.” Her affidavit said that Charles Graner “set up a video camera in my house without my knowledge and showed me the tapes.”

Sounds like a fun evening in front of the TV. And then:

In 2001, Staci Graner filed a five-page, handwritten affidavit. She said that Charles Graner had come to her house and “yanked me out of bed by my hair, dragging me and all the covers into the hall and tried to throw me down the steps.” So that’s dad. And mom gets off on dragging naked men around on a dog leash.

Jesus, that poor kid in her belly.

What chance has it got?

§ Mommy and Daddy must be so proud of Lynndie, who is now reportedly seen in pictures having sex with multiple partners in front of Iraqui Detainees. What a wonderful example for her child. This baby deserves decent parents, not Lynndie England and Charles Graner. Social Services, are you listening?

in response to wanda. I am so sick and tired of people that give woman pity. she is a no good P.O.S. How come you dont pity the men that are involved? We need to set an example of her and throw the book at her !!!!

“I was told by higher ranking people to carried out these interesting acts” said Lynndie. What a joke!!!

I suppose she was also told by higher command to put on a sex show with her fellow soldier partners in the prison too.

It is forturnated for those Iraqis even though they are in prison they can still watch live porn, heh heh.

I say we hand her over to the Geneva convention and charger her with war crimes!! We woman are losing respect everyday and this seriously deepens it more.

huh….cant understand people who let this kind of sickness happen…im a finnish guy and just read the papers..im sorry for things that happened in sep.11 but torturing and humiliating prisons like that is sick… poor soldiers. i feel sorry for them and their sick minds.. thats what happens when a country has wage army. all the sick people are allowed to join and do what they want to do most. kill and see how people suffer. in here finland we have to join the army. and we do that for Finland. not for our sick minds.

My name is Lynnde W. and I am a 22 year old female soldier. When i read about the things being done by another female soldier with the same name and just a year younger than myself i was first disgusted and now i am truley sick to believe that she and her friends/ coworkers could do such things as they did. I was raised to believe that human life and dignity was valued in our country and i still do. What Lynndie England did was a disgrace to our country and our military and i wish that we were not portrayed as animals due to what she did but now we are. Thank you Lynndie for making myself and many others lose faith in what we stand for or thought we did. I will continue to believe that we are there for a good reason but thanks to you Lynndie those counties who doubted our motives before have no doubt now. Maybe they were right to begin with, eh? I will continue to hope not but I now also have doubt. As a female in the Army i am a minority but i would hope that that would not persuade me to do such inhumane things as what Lynndie did so please do not give her even that much credit. You can still stand for what you believe in and not take part in things you feel are wrong wether that makes you the odd man/woman out or not you should never comprimise what you believe in for the sake of fitting in. Lynndie is a horrible representation of our country and our values i will pray that she gets the harshest punishment possible to show the world that she does not represent us she is someone who fell through the cracks and needs help. We are not there to seek revenge but to give Iraq a hand in rebuilding. I would like to apologize for her actions and the other soldiers involved because it is my hope that someday we can move past this and forgive but please never forget let us not let history repeat itself. I am an American, I am a soldier and i love my country. I wish that all you who read this will see that we DO have values, we DO have morals, we DO want what is best for Iraq and it’s people.

Why is it that Americans are being held to a higher standard? Nick Berg was brutally decapitated, other American soldiers that were captured were tortured and raped. Lynndie England and some others humiliated some Iraqi prisoners, so what. I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, infact I don’t care at all. I say good for her and all the others, I hope it continues, I hope it gets worse. If it were me I’d see if I could hire Miloshevich to run our campaign in Iraq and the rest of the middle east for that matter. I think life is very important, very dear, however, American life is worth more. American life is worth at least 1000 times as much as life in other countries. Instead of humiliating the iraqi prisoners we should execute them, along with any other rag head we come across.
So, good on ya Lynndie, and the rest of the prison staff.

Navyguy

To mexican fairy: How dare you. You’re mexican…men who rape little girls there can’t be prosecuted, the cops are all crooked and your national literacy rate is at the 5th grade (and you’re probably still inthe closet for fear of being assaulted). Please don’t run to our country.

Lynndie will cum out just fine here.

Mr. Navyguy wrote “Nick Berg was brutally decapitated” true, this action is sick and coudl only come from brutal monsters, yet these things don’t give Lynddie and others a license to be a similar monster.

“other American soldiers that were captured were tortured and raped” which soldiers??

“I think life is very important, very dear, however, American life is worth more. American life is worth at least 1000 times as much as life in other countries” are you familiar with the word Nazi?!

” Instead of humiliating the iraqi prisoners we should execute them, along with any other rag head we come across” but did you forget why the soldiers are there in the first place…. to bring freedom and democracy to iraq!! supposedly.

“So, good on ya Lynndie, and the rest of the prison staff” finally Mr.Navyguy, I am an Arab, and I know better than to believe that you are a Navy guy, or to believe that this is the way American think and act, do yourself and your country a favor… HUSH.

Steed, first of all, I am a Navy guy. I’ve been serving my country for the last seven years. Let me make something perfectly clear, my government wanted to liberate the iraqi people, myself and most of the guys I know could care less about them and would just as soon execute them as they would save them. The Marine that was captured, tortured and raped was Jessica Lynch. You say that I’m a Nazi. Let me point out that Nazi’s believed in Arian superiority. I do not believe such nonsense. America is a wonderful blend of different cultures and races and creeds and each one of them is beautiful and only makes America that much greater. One thing that they all have in common though is that they came here, to the US. In the US they find freedom and liberty and call themselves Americans. I don’t care about a persons race or gender or whatever, as long as they call themselves Americans then, to me, their life is worth a thougsand times more than the lives of the people from other countries. Other countries do not respect and have the same amount of value that we Americans place on life. Other countries let thier citizens die or starve, kill them for not conforming, encourage them to kill themselves in suicide bombings. Is that valuing life? No. And so American life is therefore worth more. Navyguy

Navyguy. I still don’t see any difference between you and Nazis, well maybe I am narrow minded then. Jessica lynch yet didn’t confirm the rape stories that was widly spread by the goevernment’s propaganda and loyal media, at the contrary she told stories about Iraqi doctors who tried to sneak her to freedom in an ambulance (but faild because some other great navy guy like yourself opend fire on the approaching ambulance, maybe because they share your point of view EXCUTE THEM ALL). If that’s true you are a Navy then let me tell you, you are not serving your country, at the contrary you are doing some damage to your country. Such things that you say, or Lynddie alike do, are the best material for recruiting sick extremist, and worse even justify their deeds in their sick minds (remember the way Berg was murdered). Anyways sick is sick, wether it’s American or Iraqi, and you Navyguy shre the same logic that Berg’s murderer have, you justify the killing, excuting, humiliating Iraqi, for some reasons that exist in your head. And yes true many countries kill their citezens, starve them to death, torture them (mine is one of those countries) but you can’t punish the rulers of these countries by killing, torturing more of their citezens…!!!! I can understand your anger Navyguy, it’s war and in war ugly things happen soldiers get to see their friends dying, suffering. I understand some might go little far with a P.O.Ws. but what I still can’t understand how could someone say “kill them all, excute them all” and then right after this say I am the greatest..! Finally you say “my government wanted to liberate the iraqi people, myself and most of the guys I know could care less about them” MOST of the guys?? do you have a proven statiscs? or was it a poll you conducted?! how could you speak in the name of the whole armed force or most of it!? and about what your governmet wanted to do in Iraq, lets not get started there… was it the WMD? or liberating? or because of Qaeda link? or because Saddam was brutal to prisoners and opposition? or god only knows what would your government come up with excuses to justify the war to match with the election campaign..! The bottom line is.. yes Navyguy America is great, American are great people (excluding the likes of you and Lyndie ) American value are great, your governemnt sucks just like the Saddam’s

Oh, come on steed. I don’t think you should waste time with self-love, self-pity and most important self-crazy Americans like the navyguy. As long as they hold the value they “worth more than others”. They will continue to suffer from their own crimes and stupidities.Americans like navyguy has no idea what other people think in other countries. They just believe what their government says. Even the government told them to kill all the people in certain country, they will happily believe that all the people wanna to die in that country. And go there “Liberate them from their suffering and give them freedom and American democracy” then send them to heaven in the name of that too, heh.

Ender. I agree about some being really ignorant, and believe any/everything governemt’s media controlled tell them. But luckily those like Navyguy are minority, or I want to believe they are minority.